Friday, September 20, 2013

Battle Belt Question Answered

I received the following question by email:

In one of your previous articles on gear carriage, you mentioned that the Paras were expected to be able to survive with what they carried on their battle belts (for 48-72 hours, if I remember correctly). I simply don't have room for foodstuffs as I have mine set up now. Just FYI (starting at the left front and moving anti-clockwise): I have two pistol mag pouches, two double rifle mag pouches, a dump pouch, med pouch, pistol, and a single pistol mag pouch at the right front. My vest has a Camelbak for fluids. Can you suggest a way to carry food without relying on a patrol pack? 

What he is referring to is an 'old school' set-up where Paras would carry 48 hours worth of ammo, water and food on their belt kit. In the British Army, the battle belt is simply refereed to as 'webbing'. So, you would wear your webbing and then you would have a 'bergan' (i.e. ruck) and also a patrol pack that would be stowed under the lid of the bergan when you were carrying it all. 

It depends on the era what the exact set-up would have looked like, so I am going to include some photos here with explanations. The thing to remember is that a full 'web belt' would not have had to make room for all the kinds of things that the question above refers to. Paras wore a 'para smock' except when operating somewhere hot like the jungle or the bush, in which case they would have worn a jungle shirt, like an ACU shirt. The smock was used for a lot of additional gear in the pockets and even stuffed down the front (think ammo belts) and also there was no need for a dump pouch because empty mags would just go down the front of the smock/shirt, stopped from falling out the bottom by the battle belt itself. 

There would not have been:

Dump pouch (use smock).
Handgun (not issued old school)
IFAK (just a couple of 'first field dressings' taped to the belt or suspenders/harness)

The classic way of wearing webbing like this was very good in hot conditions, allowed the carriage of a lot of gear when you were living out on patrol, and sat very well with a short backed ruck which would sit on top of the rear webbing utility pouches. This system has since been superseded by MOLLE pouches on the outside of body armor, chest rigs, tactical vests and a whole other bunch of ways that gear can be worn nowadays. However, it still has its uses when operating dismounted and looking to carry decent amounts of gear. In many ways, a full web belt worn with either a ruck or patrol pack is the ideal way for a dismounted infantryman to operate. I used to find it very comfortable and I am entirely comfortable in a battle belt. It just loses some utility when you are sometimes operating in vehicles. 

One thing to note - these full sets of web gear are often set up with the use of a padded hip protector or nowadays you can get a purpose built padded belt attachment for that. Also, because they can be heavy, the pouches need to be either sewn together, tied or bungeed down tight so they don't flop around. Really, you want the weight to be a solid mass on your hips, not flopping around. Use of a padded MOLLE belt can help with this. Don't put large pouches, like ammo pouches, forward of your hips, they will impede you when crawling. 

Above: wearing of full webbing belts in a jungle environment (Africa)

Above: A full set of modern British 'PLCE' webbing. From right: double ammo pouch. 4 x utility/waterbottle pouches (usually with 2 canteens in the two outside ones), double ammo pouch. 

Above: Old School Paras (Falklands, 1982) wearing the old style canvas webbing. Note the use of roll-pin belts foraged from riggers. They do not carry patrol packs, they were not around at the time. All the gear was either in the webbing, or in the ruck. No ruck, means everything you need is on your belt kit. The old webbing shown her used to have a roll attached above or below the rear kidney pouches for your poncho. 

Above: Pre-PLCE canvas webbing set. Falklands/1980's era. Custom set-up. No roll for poncho.

Above: PLCE webbing used in a more modern setting, with body armor. Harness under the body armor.

Above: PLCE webbing used with a patrol/assault pack, body armor worn. Note the bayonet!

So, to answer the original question: if you want to set up a battle belt to carry more items such as rations, you will still want to include some things that that questioner mentioned, such as a handgun. However, the key thing to this is really in the three or four pouches that you have around the back of the belt, in the small of the back or kidney area. These include the canteen and ration/utility pouches. That is where you keep the extra gear. If, as he says, you have a Camelbak, then you can downsize to one canteen and free up real estate/a pouch, either a place for the IFAK or more rations etc.

You should be able to fit something along the lines of two canteens (or one and an IFAK), 48 hours worth of rations, metal mug and a small folding solid fuel stove in those back pouches. The problem comes when we look at modern gear such as night vision and all the rest - it becomes that you always end up carrying a patrol/assault pack in order to be able to carry all the things that you need to carry. If you put an IFAK on the belt, you lose another admin pouch, That is why you end up with canteens, rations and all the rest in a patrol pack. Using radios also come sin - where do you put the radio pouch? For the little hunting style walkie-talkie radios, you may just mount it on your front somewhere and use an earpiece. 

Note that webbing, when worn with a harness (suspenders) should sit down on your hips. That is why the large US sustainment butt pouch does not fit very well, because it actually sits up a little higher on your back and will impede the use of a patrol pack or ruck. With a full set of webbing, pouches around the back, a patrol pack or ruck will sit level on top of the rear pouches, both disallowing and rendering redundant the waist belt on a ruck. 

Above: I am wearing a modified belt rig. From the Left: 3 x double mag pouches, FLIR pouch, admin pouch, IFAK. Then out of sight to the right is my handgun and round the front are some handgun magazine pouches. This is just one way that I had my battle belt set-up on one of the training weekends. This set-up is weak on admin pouches and could be done differently if more rations were to be carried. . 

Any further questions or request for clarification, please put it in comments.

Live Hard, Die Free.



  1. If you're wearing a drop leg holster, attach to trouser belt. Frees up space and allows you to keep a firearm if you have to drop everything else.

    Don't forget, MREs were designed to be broken down and carried in pockets. Don't forget the spoon.

    Now if I could just find an affordable Denison Smock in Multi Cam....

  2. On my last Herrick tour (by that stage we were all issued the new MTP gear and osprey vests) we had so much kit we had to carry that there simply was not enough room to attach everything, as it was forbidden to have any pouches/gear/equipment whatsoever on the front, as past casualties had shown that blasts and bullet strikes to the front had resulted in front placed equipment being turned into secondary shrapnel. One mate had his jaw shattered when an IED blast caused his bayonet handle to fly upwards as he had his pig sticker slotted down the molle tabs on the front - nasty. Anyway, I got around the lack of real estate by buying a molle battle belt (UK Tactical were the only ones that sold them at the time) that could be clipped below the osprey vest. Moved most of my ammo/grenade pouches to the battle belt which allowed the other equipment to be kept on my vest, and when the situation required I could lie flat on the ground (which proved a very common daily occurrence in Helmand!!). Moral of the story is, even with plate carrier vests, there are ways and means of getting all your kit on there.


    1. SP: great feedback. I was last in Helmand in 2008 and I was not aware that BritMil had brought in this policy. Was that Herrick wide or at unit level? I have seen so many guys put the bayonet down behind the Molle straps like that, no-one ever thinks that it will fly out in a blast.
      Does that mean that all tactical vests/chest rigs etc are out? That will make a big difference with people's gear set-up. Battle belts would definitely be making a come back! If you wouldn't mind clarifying the policy - there is nothing similar that I am aware of in the US Military.

    2. On my first tour in '09 I remember going through RSOI and the DS stating that it is "recommended" not to put any gear/equipment (especially bayonets and those mine clearance prod things in molle tabs) as it could cause secondary blast injuries, and inserting the small plates from CBA down the sides of the old style osprey was strictly forbidden (a time when a lot of lads were slotting CBA plates down the sides of their old gen osprey to protect their kidneys).

      However my last Herrick tour in 2011/2012, RSOI DS stated that having any equipment ect on the front (even PRR's) was forbidden due to the number of lads being wounded between 2006-2010 caused by equipment becoming secondary shrapnel, blasts and bullet strikes that would normally have resulted in no injuries if it were not for the front based equipment. I think at that point it was a Herrick wide policy being rolled out by RSOI to all new incoming troops. We even had insurance bods saying that any deliberate violation of Herrick policy regarding equipment use (including osprey set-up) would possible void any compo claims if injured.

      There were stories of lads being denied compo when it was discovered their injuries were caused by equipment on the front of their osprey vest becoming secondary shrapnel (but this is a rant for another time, even thinking about it makes my blood boil!!!).

      Personally, I would prefer to keep my entire front area bare (except for maybe a very small knife pouch ect) as it makes it far easier to go prone, and where necessary also good for urban ops. Going through a mouse hole or scaling up through a window or grand nationaling over a wall isn't easy when your front is loaded up.

  3. Anyone looking for an updated canteen should check this out:

    If someone expects a canteen to be an integral part of self-sustainment in the field then one made of stainless with a wide mouth may be a good option. While it may be heavier you gain durability, water disinfection, and rapid filling from open water sources.

  4. I have a Q: for the person who sent the E-mail. Why carry so much pistol ammo? Do you plan on running the weapon in some primary role? With double stack mag's that gives ; what? 75 rounds? Or to put it another way; An MRE , 2 AR mag's and some HOOAH bars.(or another MRE if you leave off the AR mag's) Sir If you really need that handgun your carbine will have just craped out, and the OPFOR will be so close that you ether win or die on the first mag. Multi-mag-reload won't be an issue.--Ray

    1. Ray-

      The pistol mags are not doubles, just three single pistol mag pouches. Since they are HSGI Tacos, any of them can be used for items other than mags such as a flashlight, multi-tool, tourniquet, etc. That being the case, you're only looking at 30 rounds of pistol ammo max. I don't consider that unreasonable and yes, if my rifle fails, I do want to be able to throw something downrange besides rocks. ;)


    2. Thanks Jim I guess I just Assumed "Glock 21" seems everyone carries them but me. --Ray

    3. Hello again Ray-

      I never jumped on the Glock bandwagon either. But I will agree that if OpFor is close enough for me to hit with a pistol, I'm probably not going to last long enough for a reload.